Source: Poets & Quants
by John A. Byrne
Sep 4, 2015
Harvard Business School across the Charles River
Dee Leopold, managing director of MBA admissions and financial aid, said that this year’s class of 937 students includes 94 who had been re-applicants. “They didn’t get in the first time they applied!,” she said yesterday (Sept. 3) in a blog post.
Sandy Kreisberg, a leading MBA admissions consultant, welcomed the disclosure. “Good for HBS,” he says, “but one would like to know how many of those were kids who flunked the interview for coughing the wrong way and did not make that mistake next time? How many applied from a better job x years later? How many re-took the GMAT or hired me?”
Still, the news will likely encourage dinged applicants to try again at HBS. Adds Betsy Massar, another admissions consultant, “This is great news! Finally debunking the myth that applying as a re-applicant puts you at a disadvantage. People grow, and that’s a good thing. I am so glad that Dee Leopold continues to err on the side of disclosure. No need for the reapplicant percentage to be a state secret.”
DINGED CANDIDATES GENERALLY FACE A SLIGHLY LOWER ACCEPTANCE RATE AT SCHOOLS
That is the first time Harvard has publicly disclosed the number of re-applicants who made the cut the second time around. HBS did not report the percentage of re-applicants in its applicant pool or whether the acceptance rate for them is higher or lower than the overall acceptance rate of 12%. Even so, it’s a positive data point for re-applicants.
“This statistic should be music to the ears of re-applicants,” says Chioma Isiadinso, co-founder and CEO of an admissions consulting firm. “The message Dee is sending is that re-applicants are welcome and that a portion of them do succeed in gaining admission to HBS. This is a big shift away from the way it was before where there was more of a culture of ‘we’ve seen you before, what is really new about your candidacy now?,’ adds Isiadinso, who was once a member of HBS’ admissions committee. “And this isn’t just window dressing statistics, it is real. A majority of our re-applicant clients have gotten into HBS proving to me that they do put their money where their mouth is–re-applicants are truly welcome at HBS. But you need a compelling story to make it in the second time around.”
Only a few of the highly selective schools tend to reveal this information. Generally, re-applicants are accepted at lower rates than the acceptance levels for the entire pool (see table below). One exception: Columbia Business School. In the 2013-2014 academic year, roughly 8% of the 5,799 candidates who applied to Columbia were re-applicants. The acceptance rate for those once-rejected candidates was 21%, slightly higher than the school’s overall 18% selectivity. At Yale University’s School of Management, 6% of its 2,756 applicants in the 2013-2014 academic year had been dinged before. The re-applicant acceptance rate at Yale that year was 22%, slightly under the overall 22% acceptance rate for the entire applicant pool.
How MBA Re-Applicants Fare In The Applicant Pool
At every top school except Columbia, dinged candidates have a lower acceptance rate than the overall acceptance for the entire applicant pool
| University/School | Mid 80% GPA | Mid 80% GMAT | Average experience (yrs) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Duke University, Fuqua School of Business | 3.0 - 3.83 | 640-750 | 5 |
| University of Pennsylvania, The Wharton School | Not reported | 710-750 | 5 |
| University of Chicago, Booth School of Business | 3.2-3.9 | 724* | 4.6 |
| Stanford University, Stanford Graduate School of Business | Not reported | 732* | 4 |
| Columbia University, Columbia Business School | 3.1–3.8 | 680–760 | 5 |
| Yale University, Yale School of Management | 3.17-3.87 | 680-760 | Not reported |
| Northwestern University, Kellogg School of Management | Not reported | 717* | Not reported |
| Harvard University, Harvard Business School | 3.67* | 730* | Not reported |
| University of Michigan Ann Arbor, Ross School of Business | Not reported | 650–750 | Not reported |
| Carnegie Mellon University, Tepper School of Business | 3.3* | 687* | 4.9 |
| University of California Los Angeles, Anderson School of Management | 3.2-3.8 | 680-750 | 5 |
| University of North Carolina, Kenan-Flagler Business School | 3.4* | 640-750 | 5 |
| Cornell University, Johnson Graduate School of Management | 3.34* | 700* | 4.7 |
| Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Sloan School of Management | 3.6* | 660-760 | 5 |
| Dartmouth College, Tuck School of Business | 3.5* | 670-750 | 5 |
| Indiana University, Kelley School of Business | 3.34* | 668* | 5 |
| University of Maryland, Smith School of Business | 3.3* | 600 - 710 | 5.5 |
| Emory University, Goizueta Business School | 3.3* | 620-730 | 5 |
| University of California, Berkeley, Haas School of Business | 3.36-3.90 | 680-750 | 5 |
| University of Virginia, Darden School of Business | 3.5* | 706* | Not reported |
| University of Southern California, Marshall School of Business | 3.3* | 640-730 | 5 |
| New York University, Stern School of Business | 3.18-3.84 | 680-760 | 4.3 |
| University of Texas Austin, McCombs School of Business | 3.4* | 690* | 5 |
| Georgetown University, McDonough School of Business | 2.88-3.79 | 640-730 | 4.75 |
| Rice University, Jones Graduate School of Business | 3.4* | 676* | 5.4 |
| Queen's University, Queen's Business School | Not reported | 650* | 5 |
| Washington University in St. Louis, Olin Business School | 3.43* | 699* | 4 |
| University of Washington, Foster School of Business | 3.43* | 630-720 | 6.3 |
| University of Notre Dame, Mendoza College of Business | 3.36* | 687* | 5.2 |
| Western University, Ivey School of Business | Not reported | 656* | 4.7 |
| University of Toronto, Rotman School of Management | 3.5* | 672* | 4.3 |
| China-Europe International Business School (CEIBS) | Not reported | 692* | 5.3 |
| Singapore Management University, Chian School of Business | Not reported | 660* | 42131 |
| Nanyang Technological University, Nanyang Business School | Not reported | Not reported | Not reported |
| National University of Singapore, NUS Business School | Not reported | 672* | 5.5 |
| Paris Tech, HEC Paris | Not reported | 690* | Not reported |
| University of Oxford, Saïd Business School | Not reported | 692* | 5 |
| University of Cambridge, Judge Business School | Not reported | 680* | 6.5 |
| INSEAD | Not reported | 650-740 | 6 |
| University of London, London Business School | Not reported | 700* | 5.5 |
LARGEST GROUP OF THIS YEAR’S STUDENTS HAVE FOUR YEARS OF WORK EXPERIENCE
At Harvard, Leopold also revealed that the median work experience for this year’s class was four years since college. “Plenty of incoming students coming before and after, but wanted you to see this,” wrote Leopold, who did her annual release of a histogram of the years separating current students from their undergraduate experiences.
The chart shows that the largest group of first-year, or RC (for required curriculum), students have been out of their undergraduate colleges for four years. Some 261 students, or 27.9% of the total, fit that description. The second largest chunk, 238 RCs, or 25.4%, had racked up five years of work experience.
Bottom line: 499 of the 937 students, or 53.3%, in the Class of 2017 make up the apparent sweet spot, with four to five years out of college.
A TREND? HBS SEEMS TO BE SHIFTING AWAY FROM APPLICANTS WITH LESS THAN FOUR YEARS OF WORK EXPERIENCE
If there is a discernible trend in the numbers, it is that Harvard appears to be enrolling slightly older students. Only one student in the class of 937 has as little as one year of work experience, and just 23 boast more than ten years.
The biggest year-over-year change this year has to do with the percentage of incoming students with just two years of experience. They are down 37.9% to 41 from 66 last year. Even students with just three years experience fell, though slightly, to 153 from 159 a year earlier.
The trend becomes ever more apparent when you look at the numbers over the full three years displayed in the histogram. The number of students in this year’s incoming class with three or fewer years of experience have fallen by 24.4% since 2013 to 195 from 258. Meantime, students with four to six years of experience have risen by 11% to 623 from 561. The biggest year-over-year increase was in the five years category, a 17.6% jump to 238 this year from 196 a year earlier.
‘YOU NEED WORK EXPERIENCE TO BE AT HBS BUT THERE IS NO RIGHT TIME TO COME’
As Leopold makes clear, “The common sense advice still holds: You need work experience to be at HBS, but there is no universal ‘right time to come,’” she added. “Also worth noting: This really does change from year-to-year.”
Massar says the table also debunks the myth that HBS only admits those with a certain amount of work experience. “I constantly direct students toward the years-of-experience histogram,” she says. “It’s also a great myth debunker and there’s usually something for everyone
to feel hopeful about.”
